All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths? What is that clear brown glass-looking circle in the upper righthand corner? The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. When the Canon Powershot was recovered by Dutch authorites, there was a conspicuous missing file: IMG_0509. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Keep the ideas flowing guys. I think this was a setup for the 2 girls from the beginning. And if other people learn too much, they get killed too. Chilling photos reveal final moments of missing hikers in Panama jungle Basically akin to that in the movie the predator. Froonand Kremerswere both in their early 20s; they traveled toPanama to work with children. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. Interesting that you. Shes ducking down slightly and trying to shield her eyes from the sun with her right arm. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. This is significant because image 508 was the last photograph of them where they werent in any trouble. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. Im very curious what your experience is living in Latin America, because generalizations like your statement are certainly inconsistent with many disappearance stories and law enforcement activity here. In image 505, it is around 4:30 PM on April 1st. If you track the photos she takes her hair down around when she reached the top of the mountain and there are photos taken shortly after this showing her to be fine, in good spirits even. Once you see it, you cannot unsee see it. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. If you look at her shirt, it appears to be red and white striped. The predator is methodical. However, I cannot say for certain because I do not know why the owner would fabricate this part of the story. Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. After any incident the first 24 hours are critical and it seems all that time was lost. Do you think this could be at all relevant? These photos dont have a lot of helpful information and the camera was tampered with. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. Once there, the families and detectives began a massive search. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). (From our perspective to the right of her directly in front of her feet about waist high). Where is YNW Melly? However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! Two days pass. Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. How many tourists go to Australia? On March 14, 2014, students LisanneFroon and Kris Kremers traveled from the Netherlands to Panama, where they intended toassistlocal communities, volunteerwith children, learnSpanish, and relax a bit. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. At first glance I just thought she was looking for something. Someone called her so she turning to look at them. There is, of course, the possibility that they might have agreed to share passwords considering that a remote wilderness could present an emergency that might result in a combination of one of them losing her phone while the other was too incapacitated to work hers. Most gangs in Panama are not big gangs with hundreds of members, like you would find in Mexico and El Salvador. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. Despite search teams, which included dogs and helicopters, there were no . Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. Ive even been contacted by people in Asia. Two months after the backpack was found, a pelvic bone and foot still inside a boot were discovered in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. They decided to take that short hike, but they failed to tell anyone where they were going and what time to expect them back. Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. Thanks for pointing this out. Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. Whatever happened I believe was not from a man following them. I would like to know the answer to that question also. actually name names. Of course, there are always exceptions. I wanted to share this article from a big newspaper in Panama. That way, no downloads are necessary. This is an interesting analysis, of this photos and the case in general. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? Are you familiar with the Koude Kaas blogs about this case? Tourists Killed in Mexico Is it Safe to Go Now? - Yahoo! Perhaps the truth will come out someday. The Missing Panama Girls: A Closer Look At One Photo After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls deaths were an accident. This is highly unusual. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. Police cant be that stupid, but they hope that we are that stupid. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. 1 reason tourists sometimes annoy residents. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. Theres a lot of information in the photos but people are willfully blind to it for some reason. Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. Its a complex topic. Nobody knows what happened to Kris and Lisanne and everything is open to speculation until more information is found. The day before theguided tour, however, they decided to explore the area surrounding the activeBarVolcano towards the Continental Divide. Looks like some of sort of indigenous artifact/trail marker. What do you think?? Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. Government corruption perpetuates the proliferation of gang activity. Kris en esta foto, tiene sus manos atrs, que podran estar atadas o esposadas . And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? Of course these generalities and cultural traits do not apply to everyone here. And we also have more than 500 sets of human remains believed to be archived across the . Even a subtle untimely laugh behind a mans back in Latin America can create a hostile situation if the women were alone later. Tourism in Panama represents one of Panama's main activities. Something I hadnt noticed before until I could see the photos upclose, (the one where she is hunched over) is that her face looks distorted; it doesnt look like her almost as if its some kind of mask. He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. I dont think theres anything untoward I think shes saying look at this tunnel. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Like local tribesmen. Either way, itll be interesting to see. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? Tony and Debra Velleman are pictured in an undated image. Have you managed to obtain a copy? He has some resources at his disposal. The critical time is between the last foto and the first SOS call. However, regarding Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, Id need to know more about their personality to make this determination. to Kris left is a huge dark area that has been poorly obscured with pixellation. Could be that the path turns sharp right or left (out of the frame) or continues up ahead after a short scramble. They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. Theymade numerous emergency calls afew hours into their hike; logs show they managed to connect only oncedue to poor reception in the forest. Also the severity of the situation would dictate the time to the first SOS call. Hi Em, thank you. There is nothing ominous or cause for concern in this particular pic. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? Perhaps a piece of a tarp or a wrapper? when are you putting a research team together?? I was clearly kept elsewhere and planted later. The problem with the links you are providing is not that the links themselves are necessarily unsafe (they could be, but we wont test them)the problem is that ALL of your links require users to download some form of content. More probable is that the picture was deleted. You can even see the smudges or blurring on the bottom of the plants into the dark areas in an attempt to blend the darkness area (where something or someone was likely standing). It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? is. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. Why werent those outgoing calls being completed? Thanks, John. In Indian Country, a Crisis of Missing Women. And a New One When They People began to suspect something happened whenthe dog Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. Regarding the existing photos its a big mess. Hi Jim, I appreciate your comments but please lay off the language of calling people fools. They were obviously following a trail, and most trails are made by humans, so human presence would be expected, I think. How Many Tourists Have Gone Missing in Panama? The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. If thats what Im seeing, I have no doubt that it was murder and that this photo and several others have been manipulated. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. Kris and Lisanne's families decided to fly out to Panama and bring Dutch detectives with them. It holds a bad energy. Cheers, Reg. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? It could be that the taxi driver couldve called someone and given them a heads up that two beautiful young ladies had just headed up the Pianista alone. Their families believed the women were still in the unrecovered plane wreckage, and as the search stretched on for days and then weeks, they pleaded with the U.S. government for help they said never came. as a hiker myself, it would be totally unnatural to hold your hands behind your back in that way AND bend your body AND twist your body out of alignment. It seems likely it was tribal. However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. That is not a cave or a ravine behind her. 4. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. Thats what I see as well. Its our fingerprints, the police say. Two journalists take the same hike the girls took. So this sparked my curiosity. Cheers. Why no more fotos were taken after 508 on the 1st until the nighttime session on the 7/8th? Dutch Women Who Went Missing in Panama Confirmed Dead - NBC News This is likely part of the trail on the way down from summit, that maybe turns sharply. Even though both kept contact with their families daily through messaging and calls? The date read April 1, the day of their fateful hike. Looks like shes holding her hand up to shield her eyes. Her hands are not tied. A decade under Maduro, migration marks Venezuelans' lives And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. This photo has been edited. When I look at the picture I think I can see both her arms. I am trying not to speculate but where is the firm incontrovertible starting point? Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. 3. Do they deal in weapons, drugs, porn? THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. Is there somebody behind the insignia? They keep trying to call emergency. Most novices wouldnt know how to properly handle something like this, so it was probably someone experienced with computers. All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? I dont see any confirmation from law enforcement either as to whether or not the white bones were tested for bleaching. I would certainly buy it if it had been printed in English. i found it hard to understand and pickup any of the highlighted objects.i grew up in a tropical country and spent a lot of my childhood exploring woods and secondary jungles around my home with my friendsthe way i see it is that the girl have encountered a thick unpenetrable undergrowth at the end of some sort of a gorge.maybe in an effort to find a way through or out of it.when youre at ground level in a jungle its just a green world and colour hues jumbled up in some sort of a mess.and after a while you started noticing odds shapes n colours through the leavesoccassinally there will be thrash thrown around.just my thoughts. I would like to pick your brains on your thoughts about the night photos: 1. of SOS made with a white cloth, 2. the mirror on rock 3. An explosion in tourism has saved Iceland's economy. If their experience was catastrophic that that happened shortly before 16:36 UNLESS both were incapacitated and sense only returned at 16:36. I wish I had them as actual photographs that I could shuffle around until I can place them in the order in which I think they were taken. I wrote about the upcoming book here: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/new-book-coming-spring-2021-kris-kremers-and-lisanne-froon-case/. Apparently the dog had no comment. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. Also last year, 22-year-old Florida man Craig Taylor was found strangled to death on a dirt road in Punta Sam, north of downtown Cancun. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? However, image 510 was taken on April 8, in the darkness of the jungle. It most certainly is not a joke. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. In this photo is another object (or two? They maintained a great deal of secrecy and privacy and never officially published any information. I too believe this is most likely what happened. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. Hi Anna, youre casting a wide net when you say If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist.. Over the years, dozens of tourists like Agarwal, many of them foreign nationals, have gone missing while visiting the Parvati Valley in the state of Himachal Pradesh. The mystery remains unsolved to this day, and there is still little certainty around the tragic deaths of the two Dutch students. In all, the State Department says that in 2013 and 2014, a . Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. Its a bit strange that the dog is not in any picture. A year later, two tourists following the same trail are robbed at gunpoint. Shortly after this photo is when the girls encountered trouble and tried to dial for help. Her hands are *not* tied behind her back. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women.
